The Board of Trustees is greatly overstepping its powers to implement such a plan. If this pass, then I fully expect that the Greek Alliance Council and the National Pan-Hellenic Council be held to the same standards. In fact, since we are targeting organization that are merely affiliated with the University, why not also make sure every club athletic team and organization on campus that receives University funds be held to the same standard.

We aren’t off to a great start if the Greeks think there can be a “bilateral” agreement between three parties.

…sounds like another incentive for greeks to cheat…there’s already enough pressure that students face from future employers, parents, social stigma, etc. in obtaining a respectable gpa.

To this Perry fellow,
Maybe the reason for Greeks on Wall Street might be because their grades are above the all-campus average? Novel concept, huh?

This is by far one of the more reprehensible acts I’ve ever seen. The Board of Trustees is not only overstepping their bounds, they are imposing mandates on a particular group of students that do not apply to other student groups, let alone the student body as a whole. This raises questions of legality. The DTH selectively quoted Mr. Perry, forgetting to mention that he not only referred to the Greeks as “gamers” but also “liars”. This is one man’s personal quest, and he is using the rest of the Board and the University administration as his pawns. They should be ashamed of themselves. It’s not a matter of whether or not the IFC Fraternities can surpass the All-Student average—they can—it boils down to a matter of principle. This grotesque abuse of power and unfair treatment of select group of students has absolutely no place at the University of North Carolina, nor is it in agreement with the tenets upon which this University was founded.

While I am pleased with the committee’s decision to challenge the Greek community, I am stunned by the comment made by committee member Roger Perry ’71 that fraternity men are ‘gaming the system’.

As a student at Carolina, I am appalled that an alumnus has accused a student organization of being a breeding ground for morally bankrupt individuals, as if being we are taught to cheat, lie, and steal by fellow Carolina students.

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If a 3.1 is to be agrued to be the standard at UNC why is it not the standard for graduation? This is a crusade against a segement of the student populatiuon by a person in power. What is the GPA of the basketball team? Are frahmen allowed to participate if they are below the campus average? How can UNC claim to be a top tier school yet openig advocate discriminating against students that meet the school standard of “good standiingb’ but are in organizations that the school wishes to control while not having the same standard for other groups or other students?

There are two ways to interpret the statement “There’s a great reason why so many of our fraternity system members go on to Wall Street, and that’s because they’re so good at gaming the system.” The first is to assume that he means that “daddy” is getting everyone in the Greek system a job right out of Wall street.
The second is to assume he means that Greeks network better and get jobs they do not deserve because they do better in social situations like networking events and interviews.
If he is implying the first situation, all I have to say is you are flat out wrong. Greeks come from good backgrounds, and “daddy” does get some people jobs, but to say that is why so many Greeks end up on Wall street is absurd.
If he is implying the second, maybe the problem is not the Greek system, but activities like Humans versus in which barricading yourself in your room for weeks is seen as a source of victory.

We all know the university is reevaluating our Greek system because of what happened in the fall of 2009, and the publicity it brought to our university. I would say that publicity was a tenth of the negative press our football team received, yet no one has mentioned new standards for them.

I think everyone, including the Board of Trustees, needs to stop and think about all of the good the Greeks are doing around campus and in the surrounding community. As a Chapel Hill resident, I see fraternity/sorority members organizing community races to raise money, volunteering in the hospital, etc. Not only do they volunteer their time to countless causes, they are also high achievers and successful in many ways. To flag a particular group by a Board member should not be allowed. What a shame that the University seems so intent on demonizing UNC’s fine Greek system.

Oh hey, has it ever occurred to you that maybe just maybe that there are more than the White greeks and everyone else? If this GPA requirement was enforced my organization would go extinct. We don’t have low GPA’s because we’re dumb or lazy or party too much, we are just incredibly involved in the community. Yes the GAC and NPHC have lower GPAs but we also don’t have hundreds of members to balance out work and GPA. All of our members are multidimensional in that we aren’t just students but we are fully involved in our organizations as well as other groups. One size fits all simply won’t work i this case, we are four very different councils with very different problems. I cannot believe that this is seriously being considered.

The board of trustees, and especially Roger Perry, are a bunch of delusional, self-absorbed liberal elitists who incite class-warfare in order to feed their own egos and simultaneously secure themselves from criticisms concerning their own personal fortunes and interests.

Please, let’s cut the BS on Greeks being so good for the community. Frats and Sororities are social clubs where the primary purpose is to buy drinking buddies and allow for underage drinking. Let’s not try to pretend anything different. The charitable work they do is designed to keep them in good standing with the university.

I’m sure I will get a bunch of flack for this, but this is the perception of many, if not most, non-Greek students. If this isn’t the case, then the Greeks should work harder to combat this image. The university should just get rid of the Greek system all together. It serves no purpose at all for the vast majority of UNC students.

Tom,

Unfortunately your assessment of the impact of Greek life at UNC is incorrect. Nearly 1 in 5 students are part of a UNC-recognized fraternity, not to mention the various business and career-specific fraternities not officially recognized by UNC. While the system may not appeal to you, it offers an attractive social and campus involvement outlet for many students.

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UNC2011, while I would love to believe your view of Greek life, I cannot bring myself to do so. I do not believe the Greek system cares at all about underage drinking, since it occurs so frequently at their events. I do not believe that most of them care about their charitable work since they can be heard talking in class about how they “have to go to this stupid event for my frat/sorority”. In addition to this many Greek organizations violate the honor code with answer banks.

Does it provide a social outlet? Yes. Is it s positive social outlet? No. If the Greek system wants to be taken seriously it should clean itself up. The university should give it a deadline and have benchmarks. If they aren’t met, goodbye Greek system.

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Tom, please consider the fact that fifteen out of the top fifty alumni donors are from DKE. Not the greek system, DKE. Thirty percent of the top donors occur in one fraternity. I would say that we all owe the DKE alumni base a big thank you.
Using your logic I would say bars do not care about underage drinking because it happens their so frequently. I would say that nongreeks do not care about underage drinking because they do it so frequently. If their is a group on campus, that is not religiously affiliated that cares about underage drinking please tell me which one.
In response to the comment about people complaining about service work, the Greek system averaged twenty eight service hours per person last semester. I would be curious to know about your own philanthropy efforts.
Finally, to Mr. Perry in Matthew 12:25 Jesus says, Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.”

It concerns me that a member of the board and its former chairman (Roger Perry) is so willing to stereotype and disparage an entire group of UNC students simply because they choose to join a fraternity. It’s unbecoming in anyone, but highly questionable when someone with so prejudiced an attitude is lauded by UNC and given decision making power over the organizations for which he feels such disdain.

I wish Roger Perry wouldn’t insult Wall Street bankers like that by comparing them with UNC frats.

Attending a couple of rush events years ago, I heard a lot about how easy/hot the sorority girls they mix with are and how hard they “hit the slopes”, and nothing about community service. Maybe they’ve changed in the last few years.

Most readers do not understand the fact that the University does not “control” the Greek system. Fraternities and soririties own their own houses which are not on University property. The University has no authority or power to tell fraternities how do do anything. The only power they have is the power to grant recognition to each fraternity chapter just as they do to the 500 plus other student related organizations that exist around town. Most fraternity national organizations demand that their local chapters obtain such recognition, but all are reaccesing that position given the recent ruling by the BOT.

Fraternities are completely self governing through the Interfraternity Council which is an independent governing body of students elected by fraternity members. The University has no right to place limits around belonging to one student organization that does not apply to all of them.

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I’m an alum of both Carolina and the Greek system that’s currently in grad school at UNC (I clearly did my work in college) and I find this measure completely ridiculous and contemptible. It’s a transparent attempt to destroy the Greek system in Chapel Hill by administrators that don’t appreciate its value in the first place. Y’all couldn’t care less if every house fell to ruins and believe me when I say that many alumni understand that and find you to be reprehensible. To hold Greeks to a such an untenable higher standard than the rest of campus is nothing more than an overt attempt to destroy Greek Life at Carolina. I found the experience entirely beneficial in my life and I wouldn’t change having participated for the world. I care deeply about Carolina as an institution but I can’t support this or an administration that thinks this is a good idea. If this goes through, you won’t see a cent from me until it’s repealed. Voting. With. My. Wallet.

And Tom, no one really cares about your jealous and uninformed opinion about Greek life. U mad, bro.

the greeks should pay for their their actions. the idea that should should be immune because of donors is ridiculous. its like someone committing a crime and getting off cause their father knows the judge. if you have time to do coke guess what you have time to study harder and get better grades. actions have consequences.

I know this has been stated before, but why should Greeks have to be held to a higher standard than the rest of campus? Because we apparently “promote” underage drinking? That can’t be it because I’ve been involved in a bunch of other campus groups (even some that are religiously affiliated – gasp!), and at every one of those parties, underage drinking happened, and no one seemed to care enough to stop it.

Let me ask the non-Greeks here saying that we do nothing for the community: how many habitat builds have you or your friends been to this semester? How about your entire college career? How much money have you personally donated to a philanthropy? How many charity benefits have you volunteered to help organize in your college career? It’s not something we’re forced to do – we choose to be on the committees that we’re on and help out more than we’re expected by our brothers/sisters.

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Recent non-Greek alum, and I feel this is disturbing and should be revoked.