Lawler, who helped co-found the UNCUT video platform for student-athletes, spoke to his growth with being aware of and speaking out on racial topics.
“I was going to go to school and be a good student, make my family proud,” Lawler said. "I wasn’t really considering the platform I could have and the platform I could use to speak for the advancement of all Black people.”
“(Chapel Hill) is liberal and it is progressive, but everywhere you’re going to have people who don’t understand or don’t care. I think being surrounded by so many white people who were apathetic or ignorant just pushed me to go and delve into our own history and culture so I could be a voice for the voiceless.”
George, who has been at UNC for two years, discussed her personal experiences with discussing race and culture on campus based on the questions people have for her.
“It might be about my hair one day,” George said. “‘How do you get your hair like that? Why don’t you straighten it?’ It's mainly asking questions in a polite way.”
“There have been a couple of instances when I had to put people in their place with microaggressions, which I take as a learning opportunity. We’re in a new space and I’m glad I can teach them and address it with them.”
Lawler spoke highly of the acceptance the football staff has shown to all of its players and the job they have done providing space for the athletes to be themselves.
“The staff is willing and able to talk about these issues because they care about them,” he said. “I think they care about us as men and they’re not one of those staffs that says, ‘I don’t see color,’ which is the dumbest thing ever. They understand Black people have been persecuted in this country just because of how they look.”
George talked about the need for transparency and vulnerability on sports teams and why teams need to embrace each other for who they are.
“Anything that deals with racism or injustice or making a person uncomfortable because of their own skin should be discussed in sports,” she said. “Teams are like families, and many sports teams have different skin colors. Different upbringings, different beliefs.”
“Through that,” she added, “we learn how to love each other despite our differences.”
Atlanta has notably had multiple protests that have resulted in arrests and garnered national attention. George, a resident of Georgia, said she can empathize with the protesters in her home state.
“They are hurt, they are angry, they are frustrated,” she said. “They are at the end of the rope and I feel the same way.”
“In softball, and most likely baseball, you see someone throwing a helmet because they struck out. Or in tennis, someone throwing a tennis racket because of a bad call by the referee." George continued. "In those riots, they want change and they feel like they’re not being heard.”
She cited a Martin Luther King Jr. quote: “A riot is the language of the unheard.”
“This quote doesn’t justify people rioting,” George said, “But it does explain why they’re doing it. I believe you can’t overcome evil with evil, hate with hate, violence with violence. You have to overcome evil with good.”
Both Lawler and George discussed the role that sports media plays in handling these topics, why they see it as important to address them and how they look to keep the conversations about racism and police brutality relevant.
“I think the media plays a tremendous part in facilitating that change,” Lawler said. “It’s your responsibility as a journalist to report these issues. Every time this happens, we protest for a week and a half. We post for a week and a half, and then we wait for the next one.”
“People in the sports world need to know what’s going on to support their Black teammates, friends, coaches, managers in the best way possible,” George said. “Some of our allies don’t know our experiences. But that shouldn’t affect how they support. They should want to be able to learn and hear people out so they know what they can do to support them in this time of need.”
With the current state of the country, Lawler believes that it is vital for UNC to step up and face issues of racism. While he commended Mack Brown and the rest of his football staff, he believes the University as a whole needs to do a better job.
“While I’m thankful for my time and thankful for my experience, we can’t just do the same old runaround,” he said. “This is a University that sanctioned a Confederate statue.”
“Put actions behind your words. Put meaning behind your words. Put substance behind your words," Lawler said. "Until you do that, you will be criticized. If you believe in your heart the words you put out in a statement, then you will do everything you can to fix it.”
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